Season 1, Episode 3
Welcome to the Coaching Studio Podcast
This podcast features fun, lively conversations with masterful coaches who are creating an impact. Get to know them, their journey into coaching, and discover what wisdom they would offer you about being a better coach.
the Coaching Studio Guest
I am very excited to welcome Patrick Williams, Ph.D., MCC, BCC to the Coaching Studio Podcast.
- Host: Lyssa deHart, LICSW, MCC
- Music: Frolic by Harrison Amer
- Production Editing: Lyssa deHart
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About This Episode
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So it is my great delight to introduce Master certified Coach, board-certified coach Dr. Patrick Williams. He is one of the early pioneers of coaching. Patrick has often been called and the ambassador of life coaching. He is a licensed, or he has been a licensed psychologist since 1980, began executive coaching in 1990 with Hewlett Packard, IBM, Kodak, amongst other companies, along the front range of Colorado in the Wild, Wild West, A former psychologist since 1980, Life in Leadership coach since the ’90s, founding member of ICF and former ICF Board member, past president of ACTO, and in 2018 was honored in the inaugural ICF Circle of Distinction. And he is the author of seven books and one um and a new online course called Conscious Living Mastery.
He is the founder of the Institute of Life Coach Training since 1998 and he is one of the first of the 12 schools recognized by ICF in accreditation. His book Getting Naked: On Being Emotionally Transparent at The Right Time, The Right Place, and with The Right Person is actually one of my favorites. It is how I actually came to know Dr. Patrick Williams. And I’m going to read a quick excerpt from a review. It’s time to get naked. You have a very short time on earth. And the question then becomes, what do we do with the time that we are given? Intimacy and transparency are fundamental to your ability to show up bravely with humility and ultimately transform your experience of life. These are just some of the messages I needed to remind myself of, once again, as I disrobe and get to know myself at the next most profound level. And that review was given after you published your book by Mua.
So, Patrick, I am so excited to invite you to the Coaching Studio. Welcome, welcome, welcome.
|Patrick Williams||Thank you, I I love that, that was, it always reminds me of like, oh my God, I said that I did that, but here I am in my basement, as people can see because I’m reforming my office, so it’s kind of metaphorical for getting naked when you have to look at your shadows.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah, you have to go down to the foundational stuff, don’t you?|
|Lyssa deHart||Well, welcome to the Coaching Studios. So I really just would love to start with what got you into coaching, like your psychologist, you’re out there in the world, doing your thing, what drew you to coaching?|
|Patrick Williams||You know, that’s a great starting question and I have to say since you call this the Coaching Studio and you and I both are well aware of the Actor’s Studio years, I remember the episode with Robin Williams, no relation sorry, but Uh the host asked him one question and that was it. He went off 45 minutes but I’m not Robin Williams, I’ll stick to the script,|
|Lyssa deHart||I’ll be like, I’m going to have to reel you back in.|
What got me into coaching? Well as a psychologist, I was actually trained, my degrees are in humanistic and transpersonal psychology, so all that stuff my daughter calls, woo woo boogitti boogitti, you know, east-west stuff. Um, consciousness, psychedelics, meditation, mindful, well wasn’t called mindfulness then?. There was no such word um altered states of consciousness from various ways. What would help the human potential movement that came out of the late sixties, early seventies? That’s when I started getting my graduate program. So I was not influenced by Freud except to say no-no, no, I don’t want, I don’t want what Freud has. Um, So the people like Alfred Adler and Carl Jung, Roberto Assagioli. The early friends of Freud who broke away. They actually influenced today’s coaching modality. Um, Alfred Adler even talked about coaching and I mean coaching as a word.
So I think what got me into it when I became a clinical psychologist, kind of a sheep in wolf’s clothing. Uh, I really was already coaching. I didn’t want to see people as diagnostic categories. I didn’t want to see them as broken, I wanted to see them as Carl Rogers said you know unconditional positive regard which kind of fits into ICF’s modem today of people are whole, resourceful, and creative. So I think it was a natural step and then I started doing executive coaching with the companies that you mentioned in my introduction as part of my psychology practice. Then I heard in 1995 about the first conference in Houston that Thomas Leonard was doing and I felt, I kind of felt like the Celestine Prophecy. I feel like I was called, I heard it mentioned three times that week in a magazine, in Newsweek, on T. V. So I went and there was 187 of us there, many of whom are still in coaching today, and it’s just like it seemed to be my tribe. Uh, It I could see around the corner of what was coming. We’ll talk more about this. But that’s how I ended up specializing in training therapist types to add coaching to their business. That was my niche.
|Lyssa deHart||Nice, that’s beautiful. And I mean I think it also speaks to being really on the cutting edge of that human transformation piece which I really appreciate. How is, how is becoming a coach really impacted you as a person?|
Oh my God. Well, When I, so I ended up going to coach university as a course in training because there was only three or four back then in 1996. It just showed that there was a way to impact people to become more of who they want to be, could be, other than psychotherapy and spiritual guidance. And I mean, there were no coaches to go-to for most people if you needed help with some thinking, you went to a therapist and they usually give you a diagnosis which made you a medical concern, but you know, kind of stupid. But I am just the man, this is going to democratize the availability for people to get a partner to help design their future, not get over their past. That’s the way I put it.
Now some people need to get over their past. I’m not downplaying that some people have severe trauma and they’ve got things that are that need to be brought to the healing surface and then go on living your new life. But I could see around the corner, I could see that this was going to be big, I didn’t know it be as big as it is today, but it impacted me when I wrote my first book in 2000 and started my institute which primarily targeted graduate degree professionals in the helping professions. Oh my God, I spoke all around the world, at ICF conferences, psychology conferences, and that opened my eyes because I had not been to Europe until age 50, and the first ICF conference in Grindelwald, Switzerland, um first international conference, I went, oh my God, this is so fun, so impactful. That’s what I knew I was on the right train at that point.
|Lyssa deHart||And it really is, I mean, the International Coach Federation is exactly that. It’s really an international organization. And that is, that is something that is really fabulous about ICF from my point of view. Also, you know.|
|Patrick Williams||Isn’t it like, what 144 countries, their representatives of the ICF.|
|Lyssa deHart||Extraordinary, isn’t it? Yeah, extraordinary. What keeps your coaching passion alive for you? How do you maintain that passion?|
|Patrick Williams||Well, that’s an interesting point because I don’t do much. I do limited coaching nowadays. I do a little bit of mentoring for the school I sold, I do a little bit of classes, specialty classes, I donate my time to um formerly incarcerated prisoners that we trained in prison. Now they’re out. So I donate their work with what they call the reentry coaching academy for formerly incarcerated that, and it’s just, that touches my heart. I’ve done discounted coaching with Navy seals, not because I was ever a veteran, but I did a lot of psychotherapy with traumatized veterans, and these navy seals aren’t traumatized, they’re just trying to redesign their life after 12 years of jumping out of helicopters in the dark, you know? Um, and then I also have a lot of um, contact with other coaches. I’ve got a new online course that’s for coaches and other growth seekers, so I’m staying with my fingers in the coaching, but I say I’m not retiring, I’m repurposing, I won’t use the word retiring.|
|Patrick Williams||So I think I’m not trying to, I mean, I turned 71 last month, I’m 31 years a coach. I’m trying to stay just active enough, well to not interfere with my golf game for one. But I just want to be a living legacy, living legacy. I don’t know what people are going to say to me after I die. I mean what was it Huckleberry Finn wanted to go to his own funeral or Tom Sawyer or somebody but I just want to keep vital and um impactful in the coaching industry.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah. And I mean in regard to that, that piece around your, I mean it’s this impact, it’s all and I’m kind of hearing a little bit about legacy also. Maybe a bit also, what would you say to a newly minted coach today who’s gone through their coaching program, has come out, they now have their working towards their ACC or they just got their ACC? What, what would you think that they need to hear from you?|
|Patrick Williams||The world needs you, especially, especially after this frickin year of Covid around the globe, more and more people realize the value of the coaching conversation. So as a newly minted coach, in my work on two things confidence and competence and there are two sides of the same coin. If you get more competent, you feel more confident, and versa visa to use a little humor. Um And two collaborate. Everything I’ve done, my first six books were co-written, I would not have written them if I hadn’t collaborated with co-author it would not have gotten done collaborate, hire the best coach you can afford, get in a group, walk your talk, and then go get a few clients, and realize that if you helped one, or two, or three, there’s no reason you can’t get many more because it’s not, it’s not a world where there are not enough clients for coaches, you have to stand out. Most marketing people once they get a niche. Well, I used to use a joke to scratch an itch, scratch.|
|Lyssa deHart||Ba doo doomp.|
|Patrick Williams||But yeah, well if you scratch it, it’s like, all right, so I’m gonna try this. But then somebody refers me this person, oh, I hadn’t thought of that. You’ll meet other people that you like to coach and if you don’t want to work with them, refer them, be of service, be of service to your clients. We are in a service profession. We don’t sell widgets, we don’t sell, we don’t even sell, we create the opportunity for a conversation that can make a difference in our client’s life.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah, I really like what you’re saying about the collaboration piece, and in the confidence and competence, um yin and yang, right? But going back to that collaboration piece, you know, it’s really interesting. I think one of the things that shows up for me, as you say, that is just even in my own early business, regardless of when I was a therapist versus coaching, doesn’t matter, this idea of collaboration. I think there is a mindset shift that has to happen. And I’d be curious what your thoughts on this, in order to move to that idea. That collaboration is really important, right? Because I think we can kind of feel like I have to do it all myself and it must be me and then like, whatever that is, right? What is, I see you nodding your head.|
Well, I have a motto that I’ve recited for years that if something’s worth doing, it’s worth doing with someone else. I mean, we’re not meant to be alone, we’re relationship creatures. So even in a business and by the way, you may know that this wasn’t true of therapists. If a new therapist moved to town, we locked our doors and shuttered our windows and we didn’t want to tell them about how we got our clients.
If there was kind of a scarcity phenomenon back in the day, um, coaching, not so much, people in the early days, and I think it continues today. They’ll share, if you want a short, 20-minute call with somebody about what they’re doing, they’re happy to share, they’re happy to engage with you. And then if, if they’ve got a program you like or you want to hire them as a coach, that may happen. I mean, I don’t want to be busy all week long with people calling me for tips on moving into coaching, but somebody will, appears your brain with the people, you know the local chapter of the ICF. If you’re in Europe, maybe it’s the EMCC.
Um, so I think that the long answer that I’m giving to a short question is collaboration is not giving for uh a reciprocal arrangement. It’s just giving. Sorry, that’s a spam call. Um, it’s just being of service. No, I mean it’s like I said, we, we sell the invisible, we sell our relationship and our sacred space that we create or inspiring space. I don’t mean to use the word sacred lightly. Yeah, so I guess that’s what I’m riffing on there a bit.
Yeah, yeah. And I really, I, I am reminded there’s a quote that’s like if you want to go fast, go alone, but if you want to go far, go together. And I just know in my own business, having partnerships with other coaches, having partnerships with other people to do elements that aren’t my favorite part of running a business has also been absolutely imperative to my capacity to do the things I really love to do and show up fully in the, in the coaching, or in the leading of a program or whatever it is that I happened to be doing.
So I think there’s also that piece too which really kind of brings us to this new competency in the ICF Competencies of Embodies a Coaching Mindset and how we take care of ourselves and have that sort of equilibrium within ourselves to show up fully for these partnerships, whether it’s a thought partnership or, you know, well in a conversational partnership of a coaching conversation, right, how do you take care of yourself so that you can embody this mindset?
Well, I love that these competencies were redone to include that, and some things about being of the coach and being, you know, I mean way back in the day when one of my first coaches was Cheryl Richardson who wrote Take Time for Your Life, you know, and uh Laura Berman Fortgang, I mean these are back in the early days, I mean I I sat between them at the first ICF conference and I remember standing up with tears in my eyes saying I’m not a psychologist, I’m now a coach because it was a breakthrough for me. But the taking care of, Cheryl called it Extreme Self Care, which has become a term is paramount. If we’re not taking care of ourselves, we’re not going to be able to be fully present with our clients. Now that doesn’t mean we have to have a perfect life, crap happens, life happens to us. But before you go in your office, whether it’s live on zoom or by phone, what do you do to leave that outside and be fully present for that momentary call, 30 minutes, 60 minutes, whatever it is.
And then I also am aware that my mindset as a coach, means I live, I live a lifestyle that is focusing on my best life. I mean, so what I eat, how I exercise, what I do now, I’m no fanatic and I don’t go to the gym. I hate gyms. I’m glad they’re closed now. Um, but I take care of myself and I think we have to, in many ways, we don’t have to be perfect, but we have to be having a life well lived with continual learning about us that doesn’t get in the way of the coaching with our clients. I guess that’s what I mean, the old adage is we teach what we need to learn, and we coach where we have learned or something. I mean we’re, I’m no perfect human being, but when I’m coaching somebody, I’m not telling them how to live their life, I want to be a model for the kind of thinking and um visioning that might be of assistance to them.
|Lyssa deHart||Yea, I believe that it does because what I’m really hearing is how do we model that self-reflective practice?|
|Patrick Williams||Yeah, because coaching mindset is not as an assessor, it’s not something I can assess in a recording coaching call. Maybe they’re showing this coach, but a coaching mindset is something you do to be ready to coach. That’s the key thing.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah. And how do you manage your own emotions, your own emotional stuff? And I mean, I think, you know, it’s sort of interesting, the coaching supervision is such a brilliant way also, and I find it it’s a striking thing to me how many coaches don’t have their own coach and yet there is such an opportunity with something like coaching supervision where you could start to explore. Like I have a client that I really, I I love them too much, or I hate them, right? Like we can get into these places where we’re maybe our biases get activated around, like wanting a conclusion for them or driving them towards what we think is the right thing for their life versus being able to stay in that space of neutrality and vital robust curiosity around what it is that they’re bringing forward without getting our own self, like, hooked into it, right?|
|Patrick Williams||Exactly. I love your term robust curiosity because I think I use compassionate curiosity, but you just sing me the robust curiosity. I think that is such the glue that makes coaching what it is, it’s not listed in the competency, that is not a skill, it’s listening, but being curious is a way to stay nonjudgmental and not wrong. I mean, I tell my clients, if I ever say or do anything that lands wrong, tell me because it’s never my intention. So whether it’s cultural or racial or I’m not trying to judge there. I understand that. I’m just curious. I’m just asking questions and wonder.|
But that’s something that I think coaches need to hear also, which is, and I do something very similar, um, which is to say to people in are contracting and in our agreement setting, possibly every session, depending on the person. If I say something that doesn’t land well. I want you to bring it back to me and I’ll just tell people, look, I’m not a mind reader. I mean, I can guess pretty well when somebody’s annoyed with me, but I’m not a mind reader, so I won’t know why you’re annoyed with me, absolutely.
So it’s just so much easier like I’m totally open to you being annoyed with me and bring it into the conversation because often that’s the rub they’re having with other people anyway. Right? And so it’s an opportunity to have a safe way to work through a disagreement with somebody, which I think is brilliant. And it also puts all the pressure off of me or you or the other coaches out there to have to show up perfectly as perfect human beings. Because that whole idea of if I have to worry that much about how I’m showing up with you, I may be walking on eggshells and not as much of service to you in my robust curiosity. Right?
|Patrick Williams||Yeah, I think one of the things that new coaches or struggling coaches get trapped into is it’s very prevalent today is the concept of the imposter syndrome, who am I to get paid to do this? Because coaching is deceptively simple. Now, the keyword is deceptive. I mean, tennis looks deceptively simple when you see Rafael Nadal playing, but it’s not, you know, in golf is not simple, trust me, um, but you’ve learned to coach, you’ve taken the skills, you’ve done this, and then it’s like, okay, I took driver’s ed, I had, I had my manual for my Honda Civic, but now somebody gave me a Maserati, holy crap, there’s a difference, there’s a difference, and I hope that analogy makes sense, the coaches, but it’s like if you want to work with clients that you’re comfortable with not knowing what you don’t know and realizing you’re not the driver. Um In fact you’re not even driving a Maserati, no danger there.|
|Lyssa deHart||You’re the passenger in the Maserati that your client is driving.|
|Patrick Williams||Exactly right! What do they want their life to be? And where is it bumping into the curves? Where is it off the track? Where is it, you and I, you and I both work for metaphor with metaphors so this is like okay, that’s what happens.|
Yeah. And what is the Maserati? And, and is it even a Maserati that they want to drive like that? Maybe our presupposition right?
You know it’s so interesting, um this came up in a conversation just yesterday. Around this idea of what does it take to become a masterful coach? I don’t mean like an MCC coach like that’s great if that’s your drive or just what you choose. But like this, this movement into coaching from other modalities and, and one of them, and I’m really again curious about your thoughts on this, one of the things that I’ve been noticing in my own self like I was thinking back and reflecting back home when I moved from being a therapist to being a coach. I felt like I was, I had a level of expertise in my field, right? Like I knew what I was doing, I could hold the space, the therapeutic space easily. I had a huge toolbox of skills around how to create safety and I’m very trauma-informed because that was my focus was trauma and um complex dissociative disorders and things like that. And then I moved into coaching and I had to really start over again with the beginner’s mindset. And to let go of that expertise and that is an uncomfortable shift. But the other thing that showed up as you were talking is that that need to kind of unravel the stuff that we think we’re experts on and sort of let that go so that we can show up as a real human being with another human being.
|Patrick Williams||Yeah, the therapists I trained early on. Um I mean, my school institute for Life coach training was primarily attracting therapists, wanted to add coaching to their business, how to make the distinction, how to have a separate business, et cetera. And it’s interesting because my whole specialty in my psychotherapy practice was post-traumatic stress with sex abuse survivors, veterans, um PTSD, and crash victims. I mean, multiple personalities, believe it or not.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah, now it’s dissociative disorders.|
|Patrick Williams||Nowadays we can have parts work and all this internal family systems working coaching, but it’s not psychosis, it’s just you know. So I think the way that the human’s struggle, I want to say the struggle is being seen today is that there’s nothing wrong with most people, there’s nothing broken with most people. Some people might need to have some healing usually 10% of the population that’s had severe generally, you know? But then, then what? So you got healed, You don’t have nightmares anymore. You don’t have or well now what? So what do you want your life to be? Maybe not right away, but as you’re designing the rest of your life and that’s what coaching is about. If people haven’t had trauma, there are a few steps ahead. But we’ve all, as I talk about in my book, Getting Naked, and like we all hide stuff. We’ve all had stuff we’re embarrassed by, hurt by, guilty of and they may not be big deals. It may have been something last month. It doesn’t have to be this childhood trauma, but it’s we’ve got this shadow part that we forget sometimes. It needs, it isn’t to come out of the light. It’s not like a villain, it’s not like a monster. Yeah, I need to do it with a committed listener, a nonjudgmental, committed listener. That’s a coach.|
|Lyssa deHart||And there really is something fundamental like in your book at Getting Naked. There’s this need to be transparent and vulnerable with ourselves, which takes an incredible amount of courage because we have to look at ourselves then, right? And it’s not all shiny and pretty and then to do that with a trusted partnership where we’re not being judged, but rather sitting there going, how do, what do I learn from this so that I can move forward in a way that’s useful, right? And I think that’s and I think that is just such an elegant, an elegant element of your book, which is this idea of we’ve got to get naked with ourselves before we ever get naked with anybody else, right?|
|Patrick Williams||You know, you know, it’s kind of like, as you said that it’s kind of like, um, one of the powerful questions I would ask at some point time, not early on, I’ll say, well, you know, to my client, is there anything that you could share with me that you haven’t told other people? And then I just shut up. I mean, what do you really want or what’s right under the surface? I used the metaphor of snorkeling versus swimming. It’s like you put on the mask and you look under the surface, there’s beauty there, there’s an unbelievable world, but for some people it’s frightening and you have trouble breathing and There might be an eel that you see, and that’s scary. But we’re not diving to 140ft in a sunken ship, we’re not going for danger and we’re definitely not going under the iceberg. That old metaphor because what’s under the iceberg, but cold, dark water.|
|Lyssa deHart||I will push back on the iceberg thing because I do happen to like that metaphor also. But I mean, I’m with you and I love that idea because in snorkeling you’ve got the mask and you’ve got your little air hose, you’re not off the surface, but you’re looking down into what’s below you.|
|Patrick Williams||Just a little bit. Just a little bit.|
|Lyssa deHart||I just, I may have to steal that. I may have to steal that. Patrick.|
|Patrick Williams||No, it’s not mine. I forget where it came up. The other people have said it. The 100th monkey. It’s all over the world now. Right. Yeah. But I think that’s the key that the conversations one has in coaching and even the exploratory conversation before. So he somebody hires you. It’s not what you’d have at Starbucks with your best friend. It’s not typical women to women because men have never, men don’t share, typically, it’s changing. Thank God is changing. But it’s, it’s not about deep dark secrets. It’s about what, what do you think you, who do you need to become? How do you need to change? What is it you want to be different? And of course, with the new competencies by the ICF it’s about being. So you ask the client will how do you need to be different to have this world come to you, this success you want, what needs to change about you?|
|Lyssa deHart||Right because we don’t have control of all that out there, but we do have control in here. So how do we shift that focus internally?|
|Patrick Williams||It’s the Einstein quote, you’re not going to solve a problem with the same consciousness that created it, that is so true. Your butting your heads against, “Why can’t I make this business work? Why can’t I make this marriage work? Why am I unhappy with my whatever?” Because you’re using the same consciousness.|
|Lyssa deHart||Which is really that thought partnership, right? Having somebody who, and this is kind of a funny thing also, which is how many people can you really list on your hands that you can really have an open conversation with, where they don’t have a horse in the race with you.|
|Patrick Williams||Ha ha.|
|Lyssa deHart||It’s not like, it isn’t like I’m talking to my spouse saying how I have this wild idea to quit my job and go do this thing in Tahiti, you know. Where he’s going to be a little, like, I’m not sure like, yeah, we can talk about it, but I’m not sure how I feel about it. But a coach is gonna be like a thought partner in exploring all the ramifications and what does that mean to go to Tahiti? Like maybe it’s not really leaving Tahiti, it’s for Tahiti, maybe it’s metaphorical, how do I bring more of that? I don’t know. Restfulness or island vibe into my life, right? And like that is a conversation, where somebody who cares about us and has an idea about where we’re supposed to be going in our life is probably not going to ask us about because they’re going to be treading water with their own concerns about what we want you to do.|
|Patrick Williams||Yeah. I mean, I think coaches ask the questions that um get people to think what they have not thought, speak out loud and hear what they haven’t said and even dream out loud with a committed listener who is not in the game with them. That’s so valuable.|
|Patrick Williams||Not one session, but a relationship over time.|
|Lyssa deHart||Right. Right. Yeah. And it really does come through the relationship, like we’re not going to, there are a few people who are good enough to build trust in a first relationship, but honestly, real trust comes through time and talk and in the sense that somebody is on my side and that I can walk away not feeling judged each time we come together. And that’s what it’s kind of like, I don’t know, it’s sort of interesting, it’s sort of like when people talk about, I’m so in love with so and so, and it’s like how do you, how do you inform that idea of love? You know, you just met them yesterday? So like, you know, like how, how do you love them? And I don’t know, Michael and I were talking about it like, You know, love took probably a couple of years to really deepen for us to a place, we’ve been married for 23 years and I think I can confidently say I just not only do I love him, I adore him, he’s like fabulous. And it didn’t just happen in the first six months or a year or two years of our relationship. It took time of building trust together.|
|Patrick Williams||Yeah, whatever relationship that is. And I think for every relationship, there are lessons, right? Um I mean, I had a 21-year relationship that ended because she left me and the girls, have, I’m, she wasn’t happy with me. And so we ended in divorce, were collegial today she has my younger daughter and grandsons living with her, everything’s fine. And then my second wife of 23 years died suddenly. So I could say I’ve had 44 years of marriage, but two different women. Uh, so even by who was it that said not Margaret Wheatley, Margaret mead. You know, we might have serial relationships. I would venture to guess. Even in your marriage to Michael, that you’ve had different stages of your relationships and you stayed together?|
|Patrick Williams||It’s a learning, it’s a learning path. There is no ice cream out the door that you can go have instead.|
|Lyssa deHart||So it’s that ability to kind of work through it. And I think that’s what the coaching relationship really offers us as an opportunity to have a long, hopefully healthy relationship with another human being that models how we might be in a relationship with other folks. So what are you up to today that you’d love to share with the audience today?|
|Patrick Williams||You mentioned my book. So the book has been an inspiration for an online course that is ICF-approved for coaches, but it’s also available for any serious growth seekers and it’s called Conscious Living Mastery. So consciouslivingmastery.com. It’s an online course that has 12 live hours with me. So if somebody wants to take it for credit, it would be over six month time period and they’d have modules sent to them. If somebody is going to take it online and they don’t care about the credit, it will be sent to them. But it’s all about the theme of Getting Naked with your clothes on is the metaphor that’s underneath the whole program. I couldn’t get that. I didn’t want to have the website Getting Naked dot com because people went to some weird sites so that didn’t work. So Conscious Living Mastery is what I call it.|
|Lyssa deHart||But I’ll be putting, I’ll put a link in the comments below. So don’t you worry.|
|Patrick Williams||Yeah. So my strengths nowadays are mentoring, speaking, and nowadays, I mean God, I’ve done 17 webinars to ICF chapters over the last year on that and connecting. I don’t want to travel over the world anymore. I’ve been there, done that. But I love this zoom thing when I have an audience that’s, I love teaching, I love mentoring, and my course is kind of like living legacy. It’s uh, I’m going to make some changes to it, but that’s what I’m up to. Is making the content available in chunks that people can get. I mean, you know that you’re developing so much stuff and you, we met in an author’s group for Pete’s sake. And your StoryJacking book is awesome. And you know, more people need to see it. But there’s a lot of competition. How many books are written year? A billion or something? I don’t know but.|
|Lyssa deHart||Well, but we keep chugging away.|
|Patrick Williams||So that’s what I’m up to. And I say repurposing not retiring because the word retiring means I was tired before.|
|Lyssa deHart||So I need to retire. So maybe retreading maybe it’s like new tires instead of.|
|Patrick Williams||Yeah, I used to call a protirement with my clients. It’s like, so what’s your new life after you quit your corporate job or something like that? Um, some people call it refiring, same thing. I’m going to live until I’m not purposeful anymore and that’s it. I’m not going to just do nothing. I have to have a purpose and coaching still feeds my purpose.|
|Lyssa deHart||That is beautiful. And on that note, thank you so incredibly much Patrick for joining me today on the Coaching Studio. I just really appreciate it and, and thank you for your, you know, thoughtful conversation. I really enjoyed it. I really do.|
|Patrick Williams||I do to, your great interview and hope this goes viral!|
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Lyssa deHart ditched her therapy practice to become a Leadership Confidence Coach. Along the way she discovered a passion for professional coaching and wanted to find ways to share that passion with the world. Come join her in discovering and meeting some of the most amazing professional coaches on the planet. Her goal is to inspire coaches. Lyssa is the author of StoryJacking: Change Your Dialogue, Transform Your Life. She is an ICF PCC Assessor, Certified Mentor Coach, and budding Coach SuperVisor. Lyssa uses her understanding of the ICF Core Competencies, combined with her knowledge of Neuroscience, to work with people to become extraordinary professional coaches. Let's Go!