Season 1 | episode 17
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the Coaching Studio Guest
I am very excited to welcome Dr. D. Ivan Young, MCC to the Coaching Studio Podcast.
- Host: Lyssa deHart, LICSW, MCC
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|Lyssa deHart||Hello, Lyssa deHart here, host of the coaching studio. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Dr D. Ivan Young. Dr D is an ICF Master Certified Coach. He is also a fellow and co-lead for Race, Equity and Inclusion at the Institute of Coaching at Mclean/Harvard Medical School for over a decade. Dr D has been dedicating himself to helping people create positive and lasting changes in their life. His simple and direct, uncomplicated discussions sparked new thinking and heal broken people. His in-depth emotional intelligence theories launched his career as a world renowned public speaker and one of America’s most sought-after life coaches. He has a TEDx Talk and I’ll be making a link to that at the end of the day, Dr D is a straight talker and a transformation agent who supports others to tap into their gifts. He has two books, Break Up, Don’t Break Down, and Another Chance, Where Would You Be Without One, consistently the reviews that I read about his books are that these books are no nonsense straight talk that really help people think about things in new ways. So Doctor did thank you so much for being on the coaching studio today.|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Thank you. I’m glad to be here.|
|Lyssa deHart||I am so glad to have you. So you know, I start off with this question because I’m so fascinated by the journeys that each of the coaches who come on the show are you know the journeys that they’ve taken. I’d love to hear what got you into coaching. How did you end up here,|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||
wow, that’s uh we don’t have that much time, but I get the Cliff Notes version. I was at the University of Houston, uh studying neurological psychology and looking at med school to become a neurosurgeon. Well, life happened. Mother died, lots of embezzlement, a lot of things happened and the next thing I’ve written one book, that’s not even that you didn’t mention earlier and it did fairly well. So I had this uh, this department head said, well, have you ever thought about being a psychologist? I’m like, heck, no, I don’t want to be a psychologist. And he said, well, nah, do you understand how many different venues there are in, in psychology and especially on the science and evidence based in, and I was like, well, okay, that’s interesting.
So long story short, all of that accumulated and finally mother’s deceased buried. Now I’ve written a second book before I knew anything. I’m getting a phone call from The Associated Press about the other book, that’s the Breakup Don’t Break Down book you just mentioned. And uh they had a show that you may or may not have heard of called The Bachelor.
So they call a asked me about why Jake and Vienna broke up on The Bachelor. And I answered it and just subsequent to that I was in 18,000 newspapers globally the next day the phone started ringing off the hook. And I got deemed the relationship expert, which on one side it was great. I’m getting all this international attention, but it wasn’t what I did.
You know what I prided myself on was behavioral transformation and and relatedness, which isn’t always about romantic relationships. If anything it’s really indigenous to the relationship one has with one purpose and one self. So that set up the coaching thing, you know, I I um like anything that most people do. Mhm. Anything phenomenal that you do, it comes to you more than you go to it.
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah. You know, and I think that’s a really interesting thing that you just brought up, which is this idea of relationship and then the relatedness and then the relationships that we have with ourselves, with those around us, with our situations. What I mean, one of the things that I was really struck by is you write a lot and you are known for emotional intelligence. And for you when you think about that idea of emotional intelligence and relatedness, is there an intersection there for you?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Yes. Uh matter of fact, it’s funny you say that I have a new book that’s in development now called Accurate Empathy, Accurate Empathy is the epitome of being emotionally intelligent and and that’s gotten over the last few years massaged and commercialized to where it’s more of a mean than something meaningful. I’m saying that it is critical as a coach for you to connect with people in a meaningful way. As a matter of fact. Uh One of the I. C. Of competencies is creating intimacy in a safe space for your client? Another one is coaching presence? Right? These are things you get measured on to get credential without empathy without intentional and accurate empathy. How can you one create intimacy with your client? How can you give them unconditional positive regard, which is the epitome of positive psychology and coaching? How could you build self advocacy, which is the ability to for your client to develop the confidence that they need in order to bring self transformation. And with all of those things compounded. The one thing that’s a denominator isn’t the fact that great coaches, I’m not talking about average coaches, but great coaches. They connect with their clients in a way that the client can open up not feel that there’s anything that cannot be shared. They are allowed to be human and to make a mistake the same way a baby learns to walk, you don’t go and say you little stupid kid, you fell again, you know, you don’t do that. If anything, you just look at them and after a while you learn not to go and help them stand because it’s in their learning to get up on their own, that gives them the strength. And the only way that you can do that in coaching is with accurate and intentional empathy.|
|Lyssa deHart||You know, an accurate intentional empathy is an interesting idea and I and it makes me wonder like I think about in my own life journey, the things that have developed empathy, what are the things that have really helped you to bring forward your own accurate and intentional empathy in the work that you do?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||It starts with self, most people that are in the behavioral space, they entered into that as a profession if we be honest, because you probably came from dysfunction, have some probably won’t even say probably you did come from or you have so much dysfunction in your own life that now you’re saying, you know what if I can fix me, I can surely fix somebody else. The question is, how can you do that until you have done deep, broad and wide introspection, how can you be a transformation agent for others who are following literally probably a couple of steps behind you and footsteps, great coaches tend to attract clients that they resonate with. You know, if you look at my branding and you go dr D von, it’s felt like I’ve been you know, d via via and young and you look at my branding. One of the things that you see, we have a a trademark for is the reality Check Doctor, I had a hit show on tv one called fatal attraction, it’s still on numbers one show on that network for probably almost a decade and people would look at that and and they would say, wow, how could somebody do that? Well for me to be good as a commentator and is a contributor to a program like that or You know another program I did is 2020 Presents. You know 2020 investigates. I’m sorry on ACC um when we do these shows you have to ask what made that person do that and you can’t do that work without first putting yourself in that person’s shoes and then second looking at when when it was you because all of us have something where we look back and you know damn it. What made, wow I can’t believe I did that. Well you did it, you did it and what made you do it. What is it that was going on with you and and ask coaches that curiosity and on the exploration with a client is what creates the generative moment. Yeah. You know and in that generative moment that’s when you formulate powerful questions simply out of awareness and being present.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah. You know and it’s it’s interesting too because I think about people who are just starting off his coaches or who have been coaches for a while and maybe have their ACC and are moving towards their PCC. And then there’s the people who are like I’m happy at PCC and then there’s those who are like I really want to get to MCC. As you went through this journey because you went through that journey yourself. Well what was the biggest piece of that self-awareness and self-learning that was required of you as you moved into that masterful level of coaching?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Well I’ve lectured about this all over the world. Um First I’m going to be honest there is such a gap between ACC level coaching and because at that level you’re not really a coach, you’re using probably coaching techniques as a consultant uh and many and when I say in the practical of how people use it because at the ACC Level you still have so much to learn about coach um at the PCC level you’re moving past being mechanistic, one of the traps that causes people not to pass at the MCC level as they do template. Mechanistic coaching, you know? Okay what about you and you know focus, motivation, outcome you know? And it’s not that is I’m not knocking it because we all have to go through phases of evolution. But at the MCC level that’s when coaching is like a tango, it’s a dance, it’s fluid. You you can’t, there’s no obvious, Well, did you get the coaching agreement? Well the coaching agreement is almost implied, by asserted, listening by accurate use of reflections in reframing by the time that you establish the coaching agreement and you’re into now identifying motivators for the client. That again is seamless and it’s uh it’s so fluid because it is appreciating the client appreciating and being in awe of the little bitty bits of recognition, in the breadcrumb trail of awareness that they’re leaving for themselves. And you and you as a coach, you’re going, hey did you did you hear what you just said? What does that mean? That’s that’s the best fascinating. Okay. What does that bring forth for you? Okay. What what would what would you have to change if that’s the vision then? What what needs to change? All right. What do you have to work with? Right. Right. And and that gets so conversational rather than box checked where in PCC level coaching, many people are really trying to prove that they finished a coaching program. You know, I you know, I went to this program and did you notice I checked all the boxes? Well yeah but you you’re coaching sucks. You know? Um Some sometimes the best coaching session is not coaching, it’s listening, it’s just being present. And I remember well coaches as one of the best programs in the in the world for coaches and I was fortunate to come to take that one of I’ve got, When I got ready to do my MCC. I had almost 300 hours in training. So I was I was like really overly trained but well coaches uh and their program and this isn’t a commercial for them. It’s just it’s a great program uh is birthed out of colleagues at Howard. I mean howard at Harvard and you know case Western and some other institutions and I just, you know, one of the things we were doing in a mark coaching session, I got part partnered with somebody that well okay, if somebody might listen to this, I’ve only used too much of a reference, but let’s just say it was someone who was very interesting to me and I’ll leave it at that. And I was like, oh I get this interesting person, great. And when we when we did the session I was doing like most PCC level coaches, I’m just checking my boxes, checking my boxes and when I got done, the guy that was the instructor for that element said, well you said you did well but you didn’t coach and that was not good. I’m like what the hell does that mean? He said, well she didn’t want you to do anything, but just listen. Mhm, wow. So coaching isn’t always about solving a problem then. Whoa, damn. So that’s that’s a new what new one? But see that’s that’s the beauty of coaching, it is not so method logical that everything is driving toward you solving something because to be honest you’re not solving anything, the client is.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah, I want to put a pin in that real quick because I think that is just so incredibly important that our role as a coach isn’t to be solving problems for people. Yeah, I think that’s just really, really important and and instead our role is to be in partnership right?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Yes|
|Lyssa deHart||Our capacity to listen, how are you able to move from? What is one of those moments right? Where we have a like, oh like our mind is a bit blown by our own learning experience. How were you able to take that and really transform your coaching into that space?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Well I’ll say this to you if your ego needs to be validated, you’re not going to do well in coaching. The this isn’t about ego and this isn’t about, you know how smart you are. I mean I could just show you my walls right and it’s it’s enough on them. But at the end of the day, if that person that came to see me doesn’t leave your transform, I didn’t do much of a job, I didn’t do well.|
|Lyssa deHart||All those, all those framed…|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||mean anything. They don’t mean anything. All the initials behind your name, your G. P. A. You know where you graduated from doesn’t mean anything. If that person that came in your office, number one feels that you demean them, that you were condescending means that you weren’t relatable. You wasted your time and they’re much second thing as a a great coach. one of your best tools is to have enough capacity and bandwidth That you have more than one one trick pony as they would say here in Texas. Um but but you have an assortment of vehicles that you can use. You know, one of the, I’ve studied everything from DBT to cognitive behavioral therapy, inter family systems, the trans theoretical model for change. Um I’ve perfected motivational interviewing, appreciative inquiry, uh acceptance and commitment therapy. I mean you have to really have depth and breath and skillsets especially at the master level of coaching. In order to bring significant transformation to clients. Because in my practice I specialize in high net worth individuals, degree professionals, public figures and A list celebrities. Right? So I’m not dealing with dummies and even if they don’t have the academic accolades, money brings you into environments where you hire people that do, to the point that you can spot stupid a mile away. Right? And the other part is you understand what it’s like to get results because that’s all you get is like going to a bespoke tailor. If you go to my tailor and uh that you’re gonna get a different suit, then you buy even at Neiman Marcus, let alone J. C. Penney, you’re going to get something robust that is well suited. And now your expectation in another arena as well, if I got this dress made this way, if I got this jacket made this way, these trousers, I need the shoes to accompany that, right? And that’s how you have to look at your coaching skills, you must be in-depth. In everything that you offer a client. Don’t go into waters that you are capable of trading. Another thing is make sure that in languages that you don’t get so clinician uh driven where you want to sound intelligent and you know how to use all these phrases, but you can’t make it relatable, you can’t, you know, like make the word flesh so to speak. Your clients are looking for you to shine a light on something, they probably just need clarity on. They don’t need you to validate them. Your client came to you because they were already alerted, but they weren’t aware your client came to you because this was creeping in. Now it’s critical, they don’t need you to bring drama, but they do want you to and I’m gonna phrase this carefully. They don’t know that they want you to help them find center stage in best lighting. But the truth is that is your job as a choreographer-director. I like to use the term effective witness and when you can point out to your client, hey, did you hear what? You just say it? Where did that come from? What part of you is speaking? Right, When you can say to your client, wow. So you you shared a minute ago when that happened in the past, you did what again? Okay, okay. How could you use what you did then? Right now?|
|Lyssa deHart||Mhm. You know the thing that I’m really hearing you talk about is all of this uh education or all of this training that you have is a way of really focusing or fleshing out your curiosity in such a way that you are partnering with this other person to really hear the nuances of what it is that they’re bringing into the conversation.|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Yes, totally. One of these things that we look at is in America, especially in the west. I wouldn’t say American, Western culture is we want things that are transactional, we want to pull up, order it, drive to the next window, get it, leave, right. And Latin cultures, people don’t do business like that. They want to get to know you, they want to hear about your family. You know, they take a nap in the middle of the day and then go back to work, right? I think we could learn a lot from that. In Asian culture, Eastern culture. There’s an appreciation of everything, the wind, the mountain, the rain, the fire, the heat, the cold, right? And an acceptance and commitment therapy. I use that as an example when you ask a client, you know, I just noticed a shift in your continent. What part of you is reacting to what you’re sharing with me, right? What tell me where do you feel it? And they say, well, I feel in my shoulder and my stomach, you know, I get a knot in my stomach. Really, really they’re not. Well what does it take to untie that knot? You know, the use of metaphor is where I’m going with and you start realizing that life is metaphorical that as an effective coach, knowing how to language properly is the greatest benefit to having an increased capacity or broad stroke. Having the repertoire as a clinician where you can take that and put it in just regular, good old country for terminology, you may say in your mind, okay, we’re doing diffusion right now or that’s cognitive dissonance. Okay, great. Most people can’t spell what you just said but they can feel the result in the impact if you have them said to themselves in a meaningful way by you asking a question that evokes their awareness and that is the epitome of brilliance is making the complicated simple.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah. And I think, I mean that’s I think it in a nutshell, right? How do we take these complicated and complex ideas and ask them as a simple question? I think that is huge. And to what you said earlier around getting your ego out of it. I think the other thing that’s really showing up for me is you talk is, how we, how we just show up in full presence with another human being. And talk to them person to person. But do it with this awareness of we’re holding the space for them to have their own exploration without us needing to be like, hey Dr. D Ivan, you need to do x, Y, z versus really using our capacity to listen to their language. I love also that you brought up metaphor because this is like one of my favorite things ever! Is utilizing metaphors in coaching. And you know, I know you’re part of the DEI Program with um Harvard and I’m really curious how you see maybe metaphors as being more culturally competent. Because I have a sense that they are more culturally competent. But I’m curious if you have a sense of that and what that is.|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Okay, well let me two things. The Institute of Coaching is an affiliate of the Harvard Medical School. So we’re where I I guess, pridefully so, we were research based organization. So what at the Institute of coaching, Everything we do is evidence and research based and we are advocates for infusing that into best practices and in coaching. Um but the council on racial equity and inclusion, which I’m a co-lead for uh definitely has seeing the correlation. Between using things that can’t really be confined to the sentence but can be far they explored in the concept. And that’s what metaphor does. A lot of this is like when you hear someone say, well, I’ve got the weight of the world on my shoulders. That’s a metaphor. When someone says what, you know, why don’t you walk in my shoes? That’s a metaphor. Most people cannot displaced themselves enough, especially extroverts. They wait to talk. They don’t really listen. Introverts assume you should understand how they feel when they haven’t given you enough indications of how they feel, right? So all of us have these blind spots that we bring to the table. Uh Once again I’m using the MBTI, which I’m master credential in that too. But the point I’m making is that the more that you can use examples that are relatable to people. The more that you can speak their language and not yours. The more permeable you are to seeing things from the other side of the room. The better you are at helping your client to listen to themselves and especially to pay particular attention to how something makes them feel. And I’m gonna say this is gonna sound. I’ll just quote Maya Angelou, she said, “You know, you may or may not remember what someone said, but you will never forget how they made you feel. ” And as a coach, we would be well served to apply that in a 360 meaning we we should reflect again using simple and complex and amplified reflects reflections. If you don’t know what that means. Look it up, you need to know what that means. But when we reflect back to a client something in a way that is sometimes provocative enough, sometimes amplified enough or double sided enough where they can now get out there shoes and look at themselves from the other side of the room. That’s when you’re doing transformational coaching.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah. You know one of the things that I noticed in my own work is that I really listened for the metaphors that people use. And and then use those metaphors in the way that I’m curious with them. So one of the things that you had said earlier is you know, you have a suit and you’re trying on suits and you find the one that fits the best and you know what that feels like where you have that embodied experience of that suit that fits so beautifully. And I think, you know what you’re what you’re saying or at least what I’m understanding is, by by listening at that level we amplify what’s already lighting up their brain. We are we are moving into their spaces of understanding and then leveraging those two help make the have them help themselves to make connections. Um And so they because they know they know what that feels like when they’re wearing the thing that makes them feel the best. Right?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Well here’s what you one thing I would use is the illustration when we talk about music right? That you were talking about resonance and dissonance. So if you have a C. Major chord and let’s pretend you have acoustic pianos, it’s just three grand piano side by side. If I get the C. Major chord on the one in the middle, the piano’s on both sides will resonate at what frequency. Well if you don’t know I’m going to give you the answer C. Major. Because the piano is pre-wired with 88 strings, so it will automatically resonate with something that’s likened unto itself in terms of a vibration. Well now let’s pretend that I’m doing some some beautiful most are some beautiful piece of work and it’s in C major, but I have a five year old kid run up and just bang the piano, bang all of a sudden what you have now is dissonance, right? Meaning that what was harmonious has been disrupted by something that’s dissonant and then coaching, you need to do both and coaching. You need to resonate with your client in order to evoke something, but you need to provoke something and that’s why disruption can be appropriate. So, another term for resonance is also harmony hint, right? That’s why I’m using musical analogy. So when you are in harmony with your client, it can help them to let down the guard to open up. But sometimes you need to have a little bit of disruption by challenging your client. That’s why I started listening and timing is everything to have them have contrast in order to see things more clearly. And that again is at an MCC level. It’s okay. Like I’ve heard, you know, 12 things coaches don’t do well, one they don’t use silence well and and that’s typically ACC level and you’re learning Pcc level, you should be getting better, but MCC level, silence is your friend. It is the most powerful thing and coaching. but disruption is equally akin to silence and its value because there are times when you tell your client, hang on, stop, what are you feeling right now? You just looked up into the right, so you’re accessing your visual cortex, what did you see? You look down into your left, so now you’re looking at something procedurally logistically, what are you putting in order to describe it? Right? So when you start understanding how to use all of these different skill sets and there are many, I would tell anyone you’re not getting see use just to check a box. You know the reason the I. C. F. necessitates you, or the National Board for Health and Wellness coaching, or whatever body, the Association for coaching in Europe. All of those entities necessitate that you get see us well we’re not doing that because we don’t have nothing else to do, or we’re just trying to get you to run up your credit card. It’s because you need to continue to elevate your competency. And by doing that you can utilize methodologies, techniques, and best practices that will not only evolve you as a coach but evolve the income you’re making from coaching. Because people pay for quality and when you don’t have it, they run.|
|Lyssa deHart||you know, going back to the metaphor of the three um grand pianos and that that sense of that resonance and you the coach then if I’m hearing you correctly and please correct me if I’m wrong, but that you are really using your own self is the instrument?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Well, I would say a better way to put it. That, that’s close. But you’re the pedal at the bottom of the piano that sustains the note or you’re the microphone in the piano that amplifies what’s being played or you’re the spotlight that shines on the artist while they’re performing, but you’re not playing for them.|
|Lyssa deHart||Right, yeah. I love that. And, and I think when I was thinking about it, I was thinking what informs my curiosity as I’m listening to the harmony or just dissonance that shows up inside of me to maybe inform my curiosity. But I’m also hearing this element of we as the coach are really shining the light on and amplifying the, the client who is really the expert in their own life and we’re amplifying that awareness that actually is inside of them that maybe they haven’t heard themselves have yet.|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Yeah. And why I do want to touch on something you said without, I don’t wanna let this get past us. When you’re triggered. Because you said, you know when the dissonance inside of me, which is disharmony. Because our over resonance where now you’ve gone down the dang rabbit hole with the plants go down the rabbit hole. You shine a light and say, hey, what’s down there? Where are you? But you don’t go with them. An example of that would be if your mom died and your client’s mom died and now both, y’all sitting there crying. I mean, I’m not saying don’t be empathetic. I’m not saying not to be human. But I am saying that’s not helpful.|
|Lyssa deHart||Right, absolutely.|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||You know, you know, it’s not helpful. It may feel good, but you know, they didn’t come to coaching for both of you guys to feel good. They came for transformation. The other point is when you’re triggered and you find something repulsive, something that goes against core values. Because one of the most significant tools to bring transformation is identifying your clients for values. Well, let’s say something and their core values makes you wanna puke offends you. That’s when you have to do it check in and maybe not right then maybe right then if it’s bad enough to where you can’t uh contain it and it’s all over your face or you know, in your body length. But that’s when you have to consider, Okay. I think I’ve gone as far as I can go and you tell the client, you know, I just want to say it’s been great. But we’ve reached a point where I think the way that I can contribute it has reached its limit. Do you, are you receptive to me referring you to someone who I think that can pick up from where we’re leaving off or you know, sometimes you have to divorce a client, you know, one of the first things that I will tell anybody, I don’t wanna take everybody. So when people reach out to me, like they’ll read something I wrote in Forbes, I’m on the Forbes coaching council and um, featured frequently featured in Forbes magazine online, so they’ll reach out, Doc, I want to work with you. And I’ll say, well, pump your brakes, let’s just have an informal discussion. We’ll meet, contact my admin, we’ll meet for about 20 minutes. And I do that with interviews. I do that with clients. I do that before I take lectures or uh, speaking invitations because if I don’t feel at a core level that that resonates with my core values, I’m not going to do it. [yeah] All money is not good money. All opportunities aren’t profitable, especially if they blow up me down face later. So what I’m suggesting to you, especially you, those of you that are starting to get a little bit of traction, Your name is getting out there. You, you may have a blog. Uh, you know, your ted talk just finally hit, you know, 150, 000, a million views or whatever. There’s a responsibility that you owe, the profession of coaching. And yes, I’m going to tell you, you do owe that. Because for everything that people like you’re looking at me. So I represent a bunch of spaces African American male, Bi-racial male. I’m not gonna tell you my age, but I’m not a spring chicken. So I represent that baby boomer generation to at least the end of it. Um I have to stop and think every time I open my mouth, every time somebody sees me on one of these national TV programs, and or in Huffington Post, or in Ebony, or Essence, or Black Enterprise, or Forbes, what I said and what I did is going to influence someone’s opinion of coaching. And I ask that you while now you’re finally getting some traction that you perfect your messaging, that you develop a relationship between your messaging, your core values and your coach approach so that these things have an alignment that’s well fitted with the code of ethics and the best practices that ICF and the Association for coaching, the American Medical Association uh or any of those entities um have set forth because at the end of the day you cannot strike that match. We need you two accurately reflect that this is a profession and for those of you that are watching this who have self ordained yourself or coach. I’m not going to try to put your fire out, but I’m gonna dog on, sure, tell you to turn the flame down a bit. And get some credentials because this is a science. It is evidence and research based and if you appear any other way than well credentialed and authentic. You’re probably gonna get yourself in a situation you can’t get yourself out of.|
|Lyssa deHart||Yeah and it really speaks to doing your own work. I think it kind of harkens back to where we even began, where we have to do the work before we show up with other people. Because they may only be one step behind us. So it’s helpful of where maybe a few more steps ahead. And that we’re continuing on that journey. I really appreciate, I really appreciate that perspective. So, Dr. D, I am so glad that you’ve been on the show. What are you up to? What’s coming up for you next?|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Oh wow, This, I guess I’m going to speak about, it’s so funny. I’m talking about something in the future, that will be in the past when this airs. But the 2021 Converge, ICF’s global conference. I’m a featured speaker for that. Uh so I would just say definitely look at that, I will uh lecture on Accurate Empathy at that conference. Um there’s a host of stuff I’m gonna do in television, but you can just google that. And you will see check local networks or whatever in google. But there’s always something on somebody’s network. Um and I know that there’s some, a bunch of features that are gonna consistently be in Forbes, where there, whether it’s something just featuring my content individually or me as part of an ensemble collective where they put out topics and they ask uh seven, eight, ten, experts in the field globally and typically I’m one of those people.|
|Lyssa deHart||Nice. So I’ll definitely be having links to your website, to your ted talk and even to um I think I’m gonna go find john Forbes and add a couple links to some Forbes articles as well as your books. Thank you so much for being on the coaching studio today and sharing your really, your broad breadth and depth of your awareness and understanding of coaching. I really appreciate it.|
|Dr. D. Ivan Young||Well, thank you for having me and it’s been fun.|
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Lyssa deHart, LICSW, MCC
Lyssa deHart ditched her therapy practice to become a Leadership Confidence Coach. Along the way she discovered a passion for professional coaching and wanted to find ways to share that passion with the world. Come join her in discovering and meeting some of the most amazing professional coaches on the planet. Her goal is to inspire coaches. Lyssa is the author of StoryJacking: Change Your Dialogue, Transform Your Life. She is an ICF PCC Assessor, Certified Mentor Coach, and budding Coach SuperVisor. Lyssa uses her understanding of the ICF Core Competencies, combined with her knowledge of Neuroscience, to work with people to become extraordinary professional coaches. Let's Go!